2015年11月26日木曜日

Daigo comes to Katchitagari TV 11/24/15

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Disclaimer: This is not literal translation but summary of points raised in their talk. Due to the limitation of time and my own translation skill, I am NOT able to translate everything. I'm just typing away what I think is interesting from the show, in which Daigo, Bonchan, and Fuudo talked about how TOPANGA A League went. This summary is currently very unfinished, but I will keep adding stuff and refining it when I find time.

http://www.twitch.tv/topangatv/v/27439890

Daigo would have been 5th place if he had lost the last match with Momochi.

★About the new volume of the manga series
Daigo came to Kachitagari TV to announce the vol.3 of the manga series "Umehara - Fighting Gamers"
Daigo: Are we gonna talk about it first? Yeah that would make more money."

The vol.3 is about Daigo and SF2 where as the previous volumes were about SF Alpha and Vampire Savior. He has been looking forward to releasing this volume.

They sell the manga series even in the convenience store just under his apartment, all the volumes, without knowing he lives above them?
Fuudo: "I think they know."
D: "No. They have no idea. There was this time TOPANGA League, I went down there to buy tea wearing MadCatz shirt during. They didn't notice me at all." LOL
F: "Why don't you buy the vol.3 in the store?"
D: "Yeah wearing a MadCatz shirt lol"


[★They talked about Daigo's experience of Toushin Gekitotsu]

★About TOPANGA A League
He was happy that he won, of course, but what Daigo is really happy about was that the last match was the deciding match. As a result of all the players trying their hardest to win, the event itself became so successful. All the players played an important roll. Each did their own job they were supposed to do. The skill level of USF4 is getting really highest and the last TOPANGA had the best of the best players there. He was really happy about that's how the event ended.
Daigo: "I won by 3 wins and 2 loses. Some may say that sounds terrible but I am the most happiest than ever. Everybody played their highest level and tried their hardest to win and I finished the run at the end. It felt really good."

They all agreed the MVP was Nemo.
Bonchan: "Especially, Kazunoko match. The character match up was so hard, but his player skill overcame the disadvantage, against none other than Kazunoko! Both players have unique styles and are amazing at thinking outside of the box. It's incredible it was Nemo who played better than Kazunoko during the match. It was so impressive.

Bonchan's Fist Day
Bonchan beat Kazunoko 7-5. But he felt he played so bad. It's just he had one game advantage and had character advantage. Even right when the match ended, he couldn't stand up because he was upset about how bad he was playing. "I was telling myself, it's bad, so bad, you're playing so bad. I didn't know what to do." He felt he was lucky it was the only game he had to play on the first game. If there had been another game, he could not have got over the feeling and probably kept playing bad

Dago's Preparation Distribution
90% Ken
7% Rolento
2.5% Yun
0.5% Seth
0% Sagat lol
Because the rule said head to head has the highest priority, he had to beat the player who are the most likely to win.
Bonchan and Daigo helped each other to study Ken matchup. They both had to beat Ken so they shared their interest. Their own Ken leveled up so much. "It's like to the level that we could main Ken lol."
(Daigo was thinking before the league) Dashio was the hardest to prepare for. Amount of information about Dashio was the most limited. He just heard Dashio was bad against Kazunoko. And the character is Seth, so no matter what he prepared, if Dashio randomly goes "I will command throw a lot today." there's nothing he could do. He could lose if it was heavily read base game. So Daigo didn't wanna spend so much of his time time to prepare for Dashio. Daigo could plan better against other players, Dashio should be the last in line.
(Daigo was thinking before the league) NEMO and Kazunoko had at least two players they would lose. NEMO would lose to Kazunoko and Momochi. Kazunoko would lose Bonchan and Momochi. "So I was not watching out for those who were likely to lose two games outside of my match. For that reason, I spent most of my time to plan against Momochi, who could win all games." As a matter of fact, Momoch only lost to Daigo and Bonchan, the only players who seriously prepared against him. Daigo was right in that regard.
"You may ask why I spent more time for Rolento over Yun. That's because there was somebody that I could conveniently play against, who plays Rolento, but there was no Yun player. Who? It's Mago. His Rolento was pretty good so I played against him a lot. Plus, I had never studied the Rolento match up, so I thought it was a good time to fill in the blank."

Agaisnt Dashio
Daigo "It was his first day, first match. I think he was nervous and didn't play his best. It was lucky I played him at such timing." Fuudo agreed Dashio was not playing his best.

Agaisnt NEMO:
Daigo: "During the match with Nemo, the first thing I thought was Mago-san you suck. Well we all know  Mago's Rolento is very good but Nemo was totally at a different level. It's definitely the deference between a main character and a sub character. Honestly speaking, I was scoffing at what they call Nemo - TAITO Station's King? I thought the character without an invincible uppercut is impossible to win. Playing at arcade doesn't really help you so I shifted to playing on the console. So I was like, TAITO Station's King? Whatever. No. 1 in the BP ranking? Whatever. But he beat me in the pre-A league match. So I took it more seriously. I was still thinking Evil Ryu would beat Rolento if I studied the match up. But after the first day, my idea of Nemo and Rolento totally turned around. I'm like I'm sorry, Nemo. I'm sorry TAITO Station."
"I lost to him but it felt good in some way because he totally changed my ideas of USF4. It was so impressive and even shocking."
"All the other characters have invincible moves and fireballs except Yun. It seems like that's what you need in USF4 at the highest level. What does Rolento have? His fireball is like nothing and no invincible moves. Nemo has such a unique sense of the game. If it were not Nemo in the league, it would not have been as intense as it was. His game play was so good. His game score was 2 win and 3 loses but that's not the point. He might be salty but he played with Rolento. That's just impressive."
Bonchan: "He lost the two games on the last day, but we still talk about how impressive he was and we think he is the MVP. That's unbelievable. His play on the first two days was controlled the league."
Daigo: "I felt like we should say Nemo is the winner no matter what. That's how much I was impressed."
Bonchan: "If he had lost to Kazunoko 7-2 or something. it would be like 'yeah it's Rolento.' But he played so well. You and I were expecting Kazunoko to win the match easy. If Kazunoko didn't win, we were in trouble. I needed Kazunoko to win three games because that benefits me if I had the same score. The result was 10-9 Kazunoko."
Daigo: "I think Kazunoko played so well in there. If I were Kazunoko, I would not prepare anything for the Nemo match because it is an easy win, just like I don't prepare for Bon"
Bonchan: "You better do just a bit (-"-) "
Daigo: "I did a little bit for your Ryu. Anyway, if Kazunoko had lost to Nemo the league would have been broken. He must have thought Nemo wouldn't move like that. Nobody could blame Kazunoko even if he had lost, but he didn't give up and won. I was like 'yes, my plan's still working.' "

The second day
Bonchan vs Dashio
Bonchan: "The Seth matchup, you can't really prepare anything. The least you can do is to watch Dashio's match videos and pick up his habits. I watch TGS and other matches. What I did not expect was Dashio seriously studied the Sagat matchup. You know I lost to Poongko pretty badly at Singapore but when I watched Dashio videos I thought I could read him pretty well. So I was thinking, if he played like Poongko it'd would be hard. Well, Dashio's movement was so tight and intense. There was no loose end that there was before. "
Daigo: "That's not Dashio."
Bonchan: "It was not Dashio I knew. I was still trying but there were so many unexpected things going on that I could not play my best."
Daigo: "Well, retrospectively speaking, you would have won the league if you had beat Dashio. That's what I think was really awesome about the league this time. He had lost two games already but he was still taking the game seriously and played his role. That made such a great league. If he had have thrown it away, you would have won the league."
Bonchan: "I was thinking, if Daigo loses to anybody, it would be Kazunoko. Also Dashio or Nemo could make something happen. I knew Momochi was the target of Daigo, so he was not my hope. I was giving my hope to Nemo and Dashio, I mean Rolento and Seth."
Daigo: "It's full of hope lol."
Bonchan: "Or I could beat Daigo using Ryu. But I was hoping other guys gave Daigo two loses. Then the first day, Nemo beat Daigo. I was like 'Hey Kazunoko, it's your turn! Please Kazunoko!'"
Daigo: "You were being a bad boy."
Bonchan: "Of course. But I lost to Dashio. So my plan didn't go well."

Daigo vs Kazunoko
Daigo: "The Yun matchup. Before the league, I was playing against Bonchan's Yun and Mago's Yun. I - beat Yun of these guys but it was not like I bodied them. It was like 7-3 or something. When I saw how Kazunoko played on the first day, I was certain that I'd lose if I played the way I was playing. You ask why? Well, in my opinion, Evil Ryu has hard time dealing with Yun more than Ken and Sagat does because Evil Ryu's strength is weakened. I know Bonchan and Momochi play very well in the Yun match up, yet Kazunoko played so close to them on the first day. So I concluded that I'd lose if I played the way I was going to play maybe like 4-7 at best. So I wondered what I should do and decided to do a huge gamble. I wanted to find a way to beat Kazunoko Yun by playing a totally different way I had never played before. Why I needed to do such a gamble? It's because I lost to Nemo. I could not lose to Kaznoko by playing safe. I really needed to win by making a huge bet, hoping to make something happen by a tiny chance. Well I got bodied like that."

Daigo: "Well before the league, I knew that if I lose it's to Seth and Yun. So I was doing more preparation against Rolento. When I lost to Kazunoko, I thought my chance to win the league was gone. I was like 'Ah my winning record.' However, another theme I had this time was to show how much I prepared the Ken matchup, the one I spent 90% of my time for. I was still looking forward to playing the match on the last day."


Bonchan vs Momochi
Bonchan: This match was the best one.
Daigo: Well you say so because you won.
Bonchan: It’s not that. Of course I’m happy that I won. But there were so many things to it. I was losing to Momochi before, but I beat him at Hyakkishu Cup and Topanga online qualifier. I was like ‘I took my revenge. It’s your turn, Momochi.’ I would have been shocked if he hadn’t have changed the way he played. I would’ve been like ‘I thought I make you understand but it was not enough?’”
Daigo: “That’s the way you are. It’s coming from our upbringing, so vulgar.”
Bonchan: “LOL no. Anyway, I felt like it was so convincing the last time that you had to do something about it. It was one of my themes that I had this year in the first place, that is, to catch up with Momochi. I did it when I played him last time. I wanted to do that for a long time this year. I really really showed him that I outplayed him. It was 3-0. That was completely convincing. I was like ‘what are you gonna do? You have to do something.’ So one change he made this this time, he used Ultra2 instead of UW. I was like ‘Ah Ultra2 huh. That I can understand.’”
Daigo: “Yeah we were playing Ken with each other. Then we realized there was something we were missing. We needed to seek out help from somebody. So summoned KichijojiKen. He helped us almost every day toward the end of our preparation days.
Bonchan: “I was playing the Ken matchup so much that it became easy to beat Daigo’s Ken. I was so confident in the matchup. Then KichiKen showed up. He was like ‘Hi. Thank you for letting me play with you.’ I was like ‘Thank you for coming but I might be too good at this.’ He then beat me in FT7. Twice. I was like ‘What whaaat? What’s the matter with me?’”
Daigo: “Yeah it was like one week before A League. You started meditating.”
Nyanshi: “When I came in the office that day, I saw Bonchan being very salty. I was like what’s going on?”
Bonchan: “Thanks to that defeat, I realized that I could lose in the matchup. That really helped me change my attitude. I was being arrogant when I beat Daigo’s Ken. Kichiken’s play was godlike. I opened my eyes. Thank you so much, Kichiken.”
Fuudo: “He slapped your face.’”
Bonchan: “Back to the main story. Momochi chose Ultra2. I was like ‘Ah okay that way. That way can be painful for ya.’”
Daigo: “We actually talking about it. We said UW is not the right choice. When I played Ken for your practice, I had to use UW because Momochi uses it. I was thinking it’s not right. I was like ‘why the fuck do I have to use UW? My opponent is has fucking 1050 like. Fucking Ken is not damaging at all.’ When I saw Momochi choose U2, I came to think he seriously rethought about the matchup.”
Bonchan: “Momochi told me before the event that he prepared the most for the Sagat matchup. It felt so good. Like ‘hey you understand, dontya?’ Then the game started. His play was so different. His game plan and everything. At the after party, I told him that. He then told me that he evaluated the match up from scratch. That made me feel soooo goooood that I couldn’t stop drinking. So in the game, using U2 is actually difficult to play. It went 4-0. But he changed his game play more at that timing. He became so forward. It was new.”
Fuudo: “Looks like walking forward with U2 seems a very strong movement.”
Bonchan: “Yeah it’s very strong if you have a life lead. But it is difficult to have a life lead in the first place. That’s the playstyle he chose. I lost three games. It got 4-3. Well I was still thinking it must be hard for Momochi. The result was 7-4. I was happy that he spent so much time for me.”
Daigo: “One thing I really thought was he played very well even though he had nobody to help. People say KichijojiKen plays like as he feel like but as a matter of fact he changes his playstyle a lot during a set. When he lost a game, he always do something different in the next game. That’s a very important characteristic as a training partner. No matter how strong they are, it doesn’t add much to your learning if your opponents keep playing the same way they do all the time.”
Bonchan: “Yeah you can just figure out the opponent and that’s it.”
Daigo: “In FT7 it’s very important to have a skill to change your playstyle. I do change a lot. You must have so many ideas of how to fight againt Ken because of that. There is this. There is that. When he does this, you can do that. It was so obvious Bonchan had more cards to play than he did during the match. Every time he changed something during the match, I was like ‘hey we came up with that.’ It went like that all the way until the end. Bonchan must not have been surprised by anything he did.”
Bonchan: “Yeah. There was nothing that surprised me during the match. Well. It’s not like I spent 90% of my time but I prepared a lot for the Ken matchup. I used Ken a lot this past year. Not just Ken-Sagat. I played Ken vs many character. I understand Ken’s weakness very well. I broke the character into pieces completely.”
Daigo: “Yeah. Into very tiny pieces. We know the character in and out.”
Bonchan: “I am happy he seriously studied Sagat but it was too late. I have studied the character for two years.”

(Daigo and Bonchan have studied the Ken matchup for two years. Daigo had trouble against Ken. He was not able to beat KichijojiKen in FT7 at all. He was salty for that back then.)


The third day

Daigo vs Bonchan
Bonchan: “Third day, the first match, Daigo vs Bonchan. 7-1. What’s the second match?”
Daigo: “It was sooo easy.”
Nyanshi: “Is there anything to talk about? Other than Ryu or Sagat?”
Daigo: “Yeah, actually there was something we did the night before. After I got raped by Kazunoko, Bonchan and I got back to our training place. We had KichijoujiKen again. For the third day, I needed to practice the Ken matchup and maybe the Ryu matchup. KichiKen can play Ryu pretty well. So I asked him. But the problem was couldn’t show each other what we practiced in the Ryu-Evil Ryu match up. So we decided that I first used the room for certain hours and then Bonchan used it after.”
Bonchan: “It was the first time we used the place like that.”
Daigo: “So I first practiced with Kichiken. But I needed to see as many patterns as possible. So I asked even Bonchan to play with me as a Ken. That’s what’s really interesting about the league this time. Each of us was looking for our own benefits to the fullest by helping each other until the very last end. Here is what I told Bonchan. You and I were going to play each other on the third day. But you need me to beat Momochi in order for you to win the league. Then you should still help me tonight. In addition to that, as I said to Bonchan, you need to play your Ken seriously against my Evil Ryu. I think my preparation for the Ken matchup is complete. If you don’t give me some trouble in the matchup, I will spend all of my time for the Ryu matchup with KichiKen. It’s all upto your Ken. Then we did FT7. I beat his Ken 7-0. I was like ‘It’s too bad but I will only do the Ryu matchup.’ So that’s what happened the night before. On the third day, Bonchan asked me right before the match ‘which character do you think I will play?’ I prepared my match intending to beat your Ryu. But if I were you, I would use Sagat for many reasons, like you don’t wanna show your Ryu until some other time up against each other.”
Fuudo: “You don’t wanna show it in a FT7 set”
Daigo: “Yeah it’s a FT7. Also, I was like, ‘can you really beat me with Ryu while you got bodied with Ken? What’s so different?’ At the end of the day, what you really needed to do was to beat Nemo. At that point, my chance of winning the league was still so small. You could have lost to me with Sagat and still won the league. So that didn’t make any big deal.”
Bonchan: “Well, actually, like one week before the league, I realized Ryu is not that good against Evil Ryu. I used to think Ryu beats Evil Ryu but… “
Daigo: “I used to think Ryu is the best shoto against Evil Ryu, too. However, this may be a by-product of studying the Ken matchup so much. We understood shoto games so much that we realized how Evil Ryu could play against Ryu. I think we came to the same conclusion. I don’t know what your Ryu is like, but I could see Evil Ryu beat Ryu anyway.”

Bonchan: “I was gonn use Ryu for your Evil Ryu when I registered my character. But I realized it doesn’t work in the course of preparation. So I decided to use Sagat because I can play my best game with the character. I got bodied at the end but I can accept the defeat. ”


Momochi vs Nemo
Daigo: I was definitely the one who wanted Momochi to beat Nemo more than anybody in the world.
Fuudo: More than Choco?
Daigo: More than Choco. But hey you know what’s really interesting? The player I really wanted to win actually ended up being the one I needed to beat at the last match. That’s the best part of a round-robin event. I really think it’s fascinating. There was no match that was wasted. It’s like Mother Nature.
Bonchan: In the match before the league, Nemo beat Momochi. It looked like Momochi was having trouble against Nemo. … His jump short worked really well against Rolento. I thought Nemo normally would find a way to deal with it but he kept choosing to block it for some reason.
Fuudo: St. mp can’t antiair it, right?
Bonchan: It can’t. So you have to block it or find some ways to escape from it. In the close range Rolento has trouble. It’s even worse in the corner. There is no hope for Rolento. Momochi controlled the game like that. When Momochi tied the score, I lost my hope Nemo wins. … Momochi played very well.
Daigo: It’s always Momochi who rescues me from the bottom of despair. He is so patient.
Bonchan: It got 5-2 but that didn’t break his heart.


Bonchan vs Nemo
(Now that Momochi beat Nemo, Daigo’s chance of winning the league came to look much better but Bonchan’s chance to win was gone.)
Bonchan: At that point, all I wanted was to beat Nemo. It was my last match. If I had lost to Momochi, it would have been automatic victory for Momochi.
Daigo: It’d be lame as an event. I really thought it was very well-written like a story. We were helping each other for our own sake until the very last minute, and you dropped out of the race first. Then that could have been the point where we said alright we end our thing to help each other now. But Bonchan still looked like he was serious about his match. That was assuring to me.
Bonchan: To tell you the truth, I gave up on my Ryu against Daigo the night before. Instead, I spent so much time watching all of Nemo Rolento’s footages, not just Sagat matchup, all of his Rolento, like against Rokkun Seth and KitasenjuDJ. I noticed he tends to push a little too forward when he really wants to win the round. Also, I watched out really carefully for his EX Air Raid. You don’t lose to him if you don’t let it bother you. He’d lose his options to get it and his movement would be monotonic. All I needed was make no mistake. I just needed to punish his loose moves. That was how I felt when I got up against him.
Daigo: Actually, you were the one who got to watch his matches more than anybody before playing him. I think it’s really huge. You got to observe THAT Rolento who is really one of a kind because you were the last one to fight him. That was such a huge advantage for you.
Bonchan: Yeah. Like I watched his match against Kazunoko. I was so impressed by that. He is good. But I felt like it’d be alright. It also helped that I played him in Singapore CPTA Final. One thing I noticed from his play was he changed ultras a lot. He used to use Ultra2 against me but he picked Ultra1 at Singapore for the first time. He beat me then. So you think he’d keeps using Ultra one. BUT I knew he actually changed it during the set. So I watched footage in which he used both ultras so I can be ready for either ultra. That helped me play having an upper hand.
Daigo: You beat Nemo. That was like the peak for me. I was like good job Bonchan! I was confident for the last match against Momochi Ken.

Daigo vs Momochi
(This was the last match of the league. Whoever wins the match wins the league.)
Bonchan: At that point, I was confirmed to be the second place whoever won. But I knew how much you prepared for the Ken matchup. You spent a year for it. I was thinking you couldn’t lose for a joke. You even made a pre-match comment on the stage saying you only prepared for the Ken matchup. I was thinking what if you’d lose.
Daigo: At that point I felt like everything worked out for me so I must carry some risk myself in return. I couldn’t just say “I’ll do my best” or some shit. That’s why I said I put all of myself onto the last match. I just wanted to give something back to all the players who played their best and ended up helping me in the league.
Bonchan: That’s really good.
Daigo: I lost to Momochi in the last World League. I was playing the Ken matchup so much back then as welk. I then run to “Kichiken-saaaan.” I started using Ryu. Looked like Ryu worked for Ken. At Stunfest I used Ryu against him, but he then used Cordy. I was force to use Evil Ryu. At that time my understanding of shoto play was deep enough to beat Momochi with Evil even tho I did not study the Ken-Evil matchup. Then I was thinking, by the next time Momochi and I play each other, he would prepare for it. After that, there was EVO and I had Toshingekitotsu. I knew the next time we play was at TOPANGA. So I have been determined to beat Momochi at TOPANGA for such a long time. I played him every now and then like in the pre A League, which was just a throwaway match. You know I was preparing for the Ken match up. I really really wanted to show it. Bon, you were like “I prepared for Ken so much” really early. Because you showed it off, Momochi made himself ready for your Sagat right? I kept hiding myself all the time. I pretended like I knew nothing. I was like “ah you are too strong. I can never beat you x_x” I don’t know if he took it seriously but at least I didn’t beat him so he was not too worried.
Fuudo: It’s really hard to change your play especially when you’re winning.
Daigo: Right. In round-robin you don’t change if you’re winning. So I tried my hardest to stay low. Meanwhile, Bon was like “See my play against Ken? What do you think? :]” You showed it off so much. Well, you went overseas and showed your play a lot. I stopped going overseas so I never needed to show my play. It was very hard try not to hide myself because I wanted to win. I tried my hardest not to show my best but I was determined to do that. … so I was playing Bon’s Ken and KichiKen’s Ken. It was like 3 days before the league I got certain that I would win. Of course I felt like I could win for a long time but just 3 days before the league, I really got certain of the win. You know, after I got bodied by Kazunoko, Bon and I were talking, we might have done too much of our job for the league. We agreed that we should never let the person win who is the most likely to win. As an event, that’s the worst scenario.  That was Momochi this time who was the most likely to win. So Bon and I spent so much our resource to beat Momochi. I used 90 percent of my time to prepare for Ken. But the thing is, I was determined to beat Momochi this time. I felt like it was the most important thing for me, even more than winning the league. Bon won to Momochi so he did his job.
Bonchan: It was such a relief. I was like “I did it. I did it goooood. *sigh of relief*”
Daigo: Yeah. I thought my chance to win the league was gone but everything worked out for me. It was like … It was like … something invisible is doing their thing to make this happen. Things like this almost never happen.
Nyanshi: It was so lucky the last match was the most important one and you got to show your most prepared play in that one. You and Momochi had to play their best to win the league in the last match.
Daigo: That’s right. It was such an important match for both of us. Even if I lose, I can accept that. And you know? I thought it’s a fascinating human thing. You know, I played so much before the league for practice but my concentration during the match was at another level beyond the practice. The game looked so slow. Seriously. It was really slow.
Nyanshi: You whiff-punished Ken’s low forward.
Daigo: It felt heavy first. I wonder if I was being nervous but it usually gets faster when you’re nervous right? So I was focusing so much. I never felt the same way during the practice. My brain knew it was the time to show the best of my play on the main stage. So human brain is so amazing.
Fuudo: You don’t face the screen in the same way when you play casual.





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2 件のコメント:

Ding Dong さんのコメント...

This is amazing, so full of top notch insights. Please continue translating.

Thank you for the hard work.

Slyzert Voltrond さんのコメント...

When you are finished with this, could you please also do a summary for this Nico Nico talk show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKcI2VsiUI

It looks interesting. I wonder what the heck he talks about for almost 2 hours...